Speaker 1: 0:03

This is the Rebel HR podcast, the podcast about all things innovation in the people's space. I'm Kyle Rode. Let's start the show. Welcome back, Rebel HR community. This is going to be a fun one. Today With us we have an amazing guest, Diana Allen. She is a flow state thought leader, a violinist and an author of the book that is available now. The book is named Flow Unlock your genius. Love what you do. Diane, thank you so much for joining us. Really excited for the conversation. Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2: 0:39

Thank you so much, fellow rebeler.

Speaker 1: 0:43

I love it. I love it and you know, before I hit record, we were just talking, like I saw your, your note come in. You know, just asking about the podcast. I'm like, oh my gosh, we have to talk, we have to do this. So thank you for for carving out the time in your busy schedule. I want to start off with the question that I ask almost every author, and that is what motivated you to invest the time, energy and, in some cases, heartburn of writing and publishing your own book.

Speaker 2: 1:15

Oh, my Quoted question.

Speaker 2: 1:18

Yeah, you know, I do a lot of professional speaking and a part of being a professional speaker is, well, you need to have a book, and it's one of those things that I knew. I had a book in me. I just had to sit down and write it. And she was saying, yeah, you got to do like, just do 250 words a day. And I was like, uh-uh, that doesn't work. With Diane Allen, I knew how I get into flow already, so I was like, yeah, no 250 words a day. That sounds like red light, green light, red light, green light. I sat down the last two weeks of December in 2023, and I just wrote it. I just that's all I did. Uh, we are low key holiday people, so it was perfect time. It was quiet and I um, I just pounded it out. I knew that I didn't have to do a lot of research. It was already what was within me. That was the easy part. The hard part was working with the editor and the layout person, because we had really high standards.

Speaker 1: 2:34

Really high standards.

Speaker 2: 2:35

I had no idea how important the layout of a book is to make it readable. The layout of a book is to make it readable had no idea. And if you think about in music, like, we have form in music, right, and that's kind of what keeps things together right In the workplace. We have guardrails, right, and you know, if it's just always a free for all, like you know, sometimes those guardrails really help to hone ideas, right. And I had no idea, like how much the layout of the book, uh, we worked really hard on that. We had, like I don't know, almost 20 different versions of the cover, like we worked really hard on it. But, um, I had pre-sold the book to Alaska Sherm, uh, for their conference that we just did in late October 2024. And it was so exciting to be there. 300 people received my book, with a wonderful sponsor, and they paid for the books and it was just the most incredibly rewarding experience now that all the hard work is over, incredibly rewarding experience, now that all the hard work is over.

Speaker 1: 3:49

I love it. So as a as a, as a fellow musician and I use air quotes when I when I say that, compared to your experience and I, you know, I I think it's so it's just such a corollary experience to like songwriting, right, where you, you, you, like you, you, you like you, you, you put your, your heart and soul and like your creative energy into something that that means so much to you. And then and then, but then you have to go through the work of like crafting, right, and it's like and like like rewriting, and you, you open yourself up, that really vulnerable right, because you're, you're essentially like, you're writing your truth down, and then and then you're opening yourself up to these kind of these external influences, right, to put it into something that's palatable for a general audience.

Speaker 2: 4:35

So there's a contributor to my book. Um, she was, uh, a Yale law professor for, I think, 30 years and I met her. I did a masterclass for a group of amateur musicians and she was one of those people and part of the masterclass was learning what is your flow state? How do you get into it? How can it help you as a musician state? How do you get into it? How can it help you as a musician? And she contacted me and she said, diane, I have had this complete flashback over my entire career.

Speaker 2: 5:17

I could see how Flo kept me afloat throughout all of the hardships that I dealt with without, you know, compromising and not compromising her quality, but actually flow helped her to enhance her quality. As you imagine, the Yale Law professor has to be at the top of their game all the time, and she said that flow was always the answer. So she was able to write this beautiful letter that we included in the book that really, really highlighted practical application of being in the flow state, and she said that she had written two books herself in her career. She's now retired and she said, boy, if I hadn't done that, it would have been as if I never did the work, like because you have a solid, tangible thing. It's like I was there, I did it, this is it right. And as I was nearing the end of the entire process, I had that same feeling like, oh my goodness, look at this, it is a tangible thing, it is here, like there's something very emotional about it, but thank you for asking is here like it.

Speaker 1: 6:27

there's something very emotional about it, but, um, thank you for asking, I get it, I get it. No, I get it, and I think so, what? Um, you know what? What fascinates me about, uh, about individuals like yourself, that that take, you know, take these, these, these nebulous ideas, and this creativity and this, this, this body of you know work, and I'm assuming, which is kind of in lifetime of work, and then and then, to put that into something that is tangible and that can be shared with others. I think, I think, there's such power in that and I think it's, I think, it's same comment on, you know, musicians, authors, um, you know, speakers, uh, and, and, and people like yourselves. And I'm, I'm, I'm curious, um, as, as you've done this work and as you've, you've done, you know, done the research and teaching on on flow state, um, what are, what are the things that, that, what, what are the things that excites you the most about this work? What really keeps you coming back, day in and day out, to do this?

Speaker 2: 7:27

Yeah, thank you for asking. So first of all, we have to circle back to that word nebulous, because the entire thought leadership that I have on Flow State is to take something that seems nebulous and makes it into a very, very useful tool, and to be able to share that with people is what keeps me coming back. I just mentioned that I recently came back from Alaska. There was a gentleman in the audience who I don't know exactly what his role is, but he sees a lot of the data in the fishing industry. Okay, these are people who have to wash the fish. Right, the fish is coming off the boat. They're washing the fish. Then you get these people who are doing this aggressive smashing process very, very physical work and he said that the people who have the most mundane job, okay, which is the people who are washing the fish, they have the highest rate of injuries and everything that we talked about, about what the flow state is, everything that we talked about about what the flow state is, how do you trigger it?

Speaker 2: 8:46

How do you activate it within yourself. He realized that's what's been missing for these people, because there's nothing that they're connecting with. They are completely disengaged. They are just like a machine. There's no skill necessary, and the thing about flow is it is not a mindset, it is a mind state. It's an optimal state of mind when people feel their best and they perform their best. I like to describe it when your genius and your heart become one, and the neuroscience of flow is such that it optimizes our brain. So there are a number of peak performance hormones that get released when we're in flow Anandamide, endorphins, dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine and because of this we experience euphoria, motivation, peak performance and happiness. This and so, when people are in flow, they're oftentimes at the, the psychologist. So flow falls under the, the umbrella of positive psychology, the first psychologist who did extensive research into flow. His name is Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, and he he's got a lot of different ideas about how to get into flow.

Speaker 2: 10:06

One of the ones that I have used frequently at different conferences and events with HR professionals is the skill challenge purpose model. So at the if you just got to think about a Venn diagram, three circles, skill, challenge, purpose Okay. And so if we take a look at these people who are washing fish, okay, not much skill necessary. Okay, not much challenge happening and not much purpose going on either, right. And so if you remove purpose for a second, you've got a skill. Okay, if a skill, if you, if you have a skill but it's not challenged, nothing is going to ignite. If you have a challenge without a skill, nothing is going to ignite. It's the two together that ignites flow and brings out the best in people. And when you add purpose to it, it just takes it to a whole new level.

Speaker 2: 11:06

So this gentleman in Alaska looking at how can we lower the rate of these injuries with the people who wash fish, he's like the answer is in this model. He's like I see it. He couldn't quite put his finger on it. He said I'm thinking we need to gamify it, we need to increase their skill, we need to give them a challenge, maybe find a personal purpose, like he could tell that there was something there that would help him to flip the switch for these people so that they can be less injured.

Speaker 2: 11:41

The last thing I'll share with his story is that he said that the people who are doing like all the smashing and all like the heavy physical work, sweating and you know, like really heavy physical work, he said, they actually have less injuries than the people just washing the fish and it's because they have their whole self involved in some way and I imagine that physicality and that. Oh, the other piece he said was that there was a feedback mechanism. They could see in front of them the results of their work. They could see the pounding and how it accumulated into however they capture the fish.

Speaker 1: 12:20

Interesting.

Speaker 2: 12:22

Amazing right.

Speaker 1: 12:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah cute. I'm just envisioning Deadliest Catch and the Bon Jovi theme song and and and all of this. You could, you could have some fun with this, but you know I I want to go back to something you said that you know it's. It's not a mindset, it's a mind state, and I think so often you know you see these or you or you hear these, or or or or get advice that, like you, just you just need to get in the right mindset, you need to get in the right frame of mind or you need to coach yourself into a flow state. So are you saying that that's not really the case, that the flow state is more of a state of mind versus trying to coach, coach yourself or convince yourself to get quote into flow?

Speaker 2: 13:14

Correct. So, uh, let's just go. Let me just finish like kind of going through, like what exactly is flow?

Speaker 1: 13:21

Right Cause.

Speaker 2: 13:21

I've already talked about the neuroscience of it. When we say go with the flow, that's a mind state, and usually people are just saying, uh, just relax, like you know, roll with it, that kind of thing. And when you are in flow, a lot of people do describe it as that feeling of just you know, relaxing and going with it. But it's different, because I already mentioned mindset. Okay, when you think about going with the flow as a mindset, that is passive, but when you are in flow, it is actually active.

Speaker 2: 13:58

I already mentioned at the intersection of skill, challenge and purpose, that's what ignites flow. That is very action-based, okay. So the key indicators of being in flow let me re-say that again, the key indicators of being in flow help people to realize when they're in it. A lot of times, people don't realize that they're in flow until they're out of flow, and it's not until they're out of flow that they realize the benefits of being in it. So how do you know then? Right? Well, you do lose sense of time and it's because you just love what you're doing.

Speaker 1: 14:38

I know you've experienced that right.

Speaker 2: 14:39

Yeah, you lose a sense of self, which is really kind of funny thing to say. Like, what does that mean? Losing a sense of self? And you know, if we go a little bit deeper into the neurobiology of flow, it's because there are things that get turned on in your brain. There are things that get turned off and the peak performance hormones that get turned on.

Speaker 2: 14:57

I already mentioned right, but the thing that gets turned off in your brain is your fight or flight response and your inner critic, your inner critic, is gone, and so people feel uninhibited and they feel fearless, and when they're in that moment, a lot of ideas and insights come in from out of the blue, because we're not filtering them. Ideas and insights coming in from out of the blue is another key indicator of being in flow, things coming together with a sense of ease. Kyle, have you ever gotten more done in 30 minutes than you had in the last three days?

Speaker 1: 15:32

Okay, Not if my boss asks no, never had that happen. I'm always super productive.

Speaker 2: 15:41

That's so funny and I usually do get a chuckle when I say that one, because a lot of people experience that and that is being in flow, okay, and it does seem nebulous and elusive. That is being in flow, okay, and it does seem nebulous and elusive. A couple more key indicators Instead of being in a negative feedback loop, kind of like the people washing fish right, where you have to use willpower, right and discipline to do the work that drains you and then you have to recover at the end of the day, right, and you get into this negative feedback loop. When you're in flow, it is so rewarding that it refuels you and you get into a positive feedback loop. And the positive feedback loop is, you know to understand.

Speaker 2: 16:23

That is one thing, but its impact on mental health is something that Adam Grant, organizational psychologist, really highlighted, especially during the pandemic. He wrote an article in the New York Times, he gave a TED Talk on this very topic and he talked about the mental health spectrum and how, halfway between depression and flourishing, there's this midway point where you're fine but you're not fine. You're functional but you can't get motivated, you're just kind of blah. And so, according to Adam Grant, the antidote to go from languishing to flourishing is to get into your flow state.

Speaker 1: 17:01

Absolutely. I think, yeah, I love, yeah, I read the. You know the languishing, you know, and certainly experienced that myself in. You know, sitting at home, you know, watching COVID cases light up around the world. But you know, I think, I think it's fascinating.

Speaker 1: 17:17

So, and and this goes back to you know the, the fight or flight, inner critic being shut off, and you know so much of, you know so much of that, that research on the brain is the.

Speaker 1: 17:28

You know that that that fight or flight it shuts off, you know, shuts off creativity, because it's all about your body trying to, like, save yourself. You know, and you know it's, it's, it's old wiring from, you know, caveman days, that that isn't necessarily effective in the current world that we operate in as human beings. And you know but I mean I'm sure many of of us can, can reflect on the times when, uh, it's almost like, it's almost like you let go right and you're, you're in a situation where it's like, okay, I give it up to the universe or god or whatever, and I'm just gonna let, and, and then stuff starts to happen right, like, like, you do start to you get that spark of creativity, or you or you find some ask some joyful aspect of your life that, um, you were kind of, you know, missing before and and and you hear these stories and I think, I think many of us have experienced that. So that so my question is yeah go ahead.

Speaker 2: 18:27

That's my claim to fame is like how can we take that and make it real in our lives, right, right and so, um. So I'm holding up a picture of the orchestra I used to play in. So I was the lead violinist, the concert master of an orchestra for 15 years. Okay, that's second in command to the conductor, and it didn't matter how I showed up that day. However, I showed up. That was going to have a ripple effect throughout the orchestra and the audience, because I also was kind of like part of my role was it was all nonverbal communication, but I did also interact with the audience. Okay, so it was just not just the orchestra, right? So I had to be at the top of my game. I always had to show up, and people expect musicians to get into the music, right, we're not going to be disengaged employees on a stage because nobody would come to the concert.

Speaker 1: 19:23

Right, right. You're literally on stage.

Speaker 2: 19:26

Literally on stage and you're expected to get into the music, because that creates a transformational experience for everyone, right?

Speaker 1: 19:35

yeah, yeah, so I think you know I'll I'll make a comment on that.

Speaker 1: 19:39

So as a. So not everybody, not many people know this, but I used to play cello in an orchestra, like back in school, so I'm nowhere near your accomplishment, but I will tell to the, to the listeners the lead violinist is a big freaking deal and everybody in the orchestra has to follow the energy and the down to the way that the bow is being moved across the violin, because that's all part of the performance, it's part of the, the energy of the music, and it's and you're not just watching the conductor, you're watching that lead violinist because they set the performance. It's part of the energy of the music and you're not just watching the conductor, you're watching that lead violinist because they set the tone. So it's very similar to like a workplace where you've got you know, you've got like a line leader or a line manager. That's like they're taking what the CEO says and they're actually deploying it throughout the workplace. That's how I would describe that for those that aren't like orchestra nerds, like me.

Speaker 2: 20:34

I am going to get that clip because you're the first person that, like I've ever had a conversation with, that we're recording. That could actually articulate exactly, and I'd like to describe it as as, like, if the conductor is the CEO, I'm basically interpreting what the conductor is doing to make it accessible for the orchestra members.

Speaker 1: 20:57

Right, cause you cause, cause the orchestra. You're watching the nonverbal mannerisms of everybody around you, especially that lead violin, because you're also looking at the music and you don't have all the music memorized, so you have. So you're watching like six different inputs at the same time and so much of it. You're actually intuitively understanding the energy that's coming at you from everybody else around you. So it's, it's a very like organic, it's. It's hard to explain, like it's really hard for me to explain it verbally, but that's, that's what it's like. It's like you're, you're actually sensing the energy.

Speaker 2: 21:28

Yes, around you.

Speaker 1: 21:29

That's what it's, that's what I love. That's what I loved about it, right.

Speaker 2: 21:33

Like it's such a cool experience Right.

Speaker 2: 21:35

So, because I do speak for a lot of leadership events when you are getting into the music, when you are getting into your work like a musician gets into the music, are getting into your work like a musician gets into the music, I don't care if you're washing fish, you're cutting pipe or you're having a high-end brainstorming meeting to revolutionize whatever right. There is an energy there. Maybe it looks like enthusiasm, Maybe it looks like your friend who on Friday night, has like this thing where every Friday night they make homemade pizza. That's like they talk about it all week. They're excited about it all week. Maybe one week they invite you over. You're not so into pizza but for some reason you're there. You can't get. You get caught up in the enthusiasm.

Speaker 2: 22:29

So flow is basically the energy of enthusiasm and, according to the Heart Math Institute, okay, when you are in flow, you are using your signature strengths. Okay, we have to go into how people get into flow, because when you get into how people get into flow, you are identifying their signature strengths. But you're also identifying purpose. Okay, and when you are coming from a place, whether you're getting into the music, making those pizzas, washing fish or getting into your job, maybe it's that Excel spreadsheet where you lose all sense of time.

Speaker 2: 23:06

Okay, Cause you just love what you're doing that you're igniting the 40,000 neurons in your heart and, according to the HeartMath Institute, the electromagnetic field of the heart reaches out 60% greater than the brain's electromagnetic field, and it reaches out three feet all around you, which means everybody around you senses your energy. Now all those people think up to you. Now they're exuding three foot circles. This is literally the energetics of a ripple effect, and so, as I'm leading the orchestra non-verbally, I'm doing it all energetically. I trigger it by leading myself to get into flow. If I could lead myself to get into flow, I could lead myself to get into flow. If I could lead myself to get into flow, I could lead others to get into theirs. And when you have a large group of people, whether it's three people or more, the hundreds you know, between the orchestra and the audience you're igniting a synergistic state of group flow.

Speaker 1: 24:15

Love it. So there is real science to this energy woo-woo stuff we all talk about.

Speaker 2: 24:20

Yes, okay, listen, we have to make the most of our time here. So Kyle and I were having a conversation before we started recording. He said I get into the music all the time. I get into flow when I'm in my music. I'd like to experience that more at work. Okay, yeah. So what I want to do is walk Kyle through figuring that out and I'm going to use three questions. So these are the three questions Basically, just to give like a really quick background.

Speaker 2: 24:51

I had a day where I couldn't get into the music, freaked me out. That night I sat on the couch, literally like humiliated, because I felt like, okay, now my job security and my reputation are at stake, because I played a concert where I was going through the motions and I was very visible in that concert. It was not good. So if only everyone were as conscientious as a musician about being engaged in their work. Right, like you have to be right. So the that night is the night. That was my defining moment, where, where my thought leadership, you know, was born. Like what, what was I doing? Okay, so the first question is okay, let's, we're going to, we're going to use the three prompts that I came up with that night to help Kyle figure out where. First, we're going to just figure out how to. How do you uniquely get into flow when you're either writing music or playing music, okay, so the first question is it's just where? Just locate it? Where are you?

Speaker 1: 25:57

Like like where am I when I hit that state?

Speaker 2: 26:00

No, yeah, like, like for me, like, if I'm practicing, I'm here in my room Right, so like where?

Speaker 1: 26:09

where are you? Do you have a location? Yeah, I'm usually in the, usually in the living room looking out the window. You know like I have some picture of nature somewhere.

Speaker 2: 26:15

Okay.

Speaker 1: 26:16

Somehow.

Speaker 2: 26:16

Those are great details. Okay, so he just described where he was in the environment. Okay, what are you doing? This is, like you know, for me, I'm playing the violin, right? It's just as basic as that, right? So what are you doing?

Speaker 1: 26:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:31

You can pick, playing or writing music. Which which one do you feel has more juice in it?

Speaker 1: 26:37

Um playing, yeah, Playing guitar.

Speaker 2: 26:39

So you're playing guitar. That's what you're doing on the outside. Okay, so the first question is where are you? Second question is what are you doing? But there's a two-part question here. What are you doing on the outside? You're playing guitar. What are you doing on the inside? I'm going to give you a couple examples. Okay, let's say where you are is in your office. What you're doing on the outside is working on an Excel spreadsheet. What you're doing on the inside could be any number of things. You could be problem solving, you could be strategizing, you could be visualizing right A lot of different things. So, when you think about what are you doing when you're playing the guitar, what are you doing on the inside? What is that for you?

Speaker 1: 27:30

Well, this is interesting. So for me it's completing the. It's connecting the dots between the patterns that I hear in my head or visually see somehow, and making that come out of the guitar.

Speaker 2: 27:54

Connecting with us.

Speaker 1: 27:55

Yeah, like connect. Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to say it. It's like, uh, it's like taking, taking a known pattern and making something new with it, I guess that's how I would describe that.

Speaker 2: 28:04

Yeah, that means something to you.

Speaker 1: 28:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:07

Okay.

Speaker 1: 28:07

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:07

And this is what we're talking about. When you Okay, yeah, and this is what we're talking about. When you know, we talk about what. What makes people tick, what's their signature strength, right, what's their um secret sauce? For you, it's connecting the dots. That's it, okay. That's your unique way, okay, or what you're doing, okay. Now the last question is another.

Speaker 2: 28:29

You know we've heard this question a zillion times why, okay, why is connecting the dots so meaningful? Do you want me to give you an example? First? Sure, let's go back to the spreadsheet. Right, where somebody is is in their office. What they're doing on the outside is working on an Excel spreadsheet. What they're doing on the inside, let's say, let's say they're problem solving.

Speaker 2: 28:56

Why is that problem solving so meaningful? And they might say, well, it's because you know, when you solve the problem, it's just, you know it's a big relief, right, and I get to contribute, right. So then you could say, well, why is that important? Well, solving the problem and contributing, you know that's being of service, and and if they really light up, you know like, that's, that's like a really important thing in their life, is to be of service. So we're looking usually, when I'm talking about why, I'm looking for those really lofty ideals that we strive for. They're things that are so much bigger than ourselves that pull us forward, like well-being and equality and peace and love and joy and freedom, all of those kinds of concepts. So, when you're thinking of connecting the dots, why is that so meaningful?

Speaker 1: 30:02

I would say so. For me it's two reasons. Number one, it's like an authentic expression of myself and what I'm feeling. So it's that aspect and it's that aspect and it helps me make sense of the world right, just helps me understand what's what and why is just what's happening? There's so much out there.

Speaker 2: 30:25

So the authentic expression of yourself could be freedom of.

Speaker 1: 30:32

Yeah, freedom of, I would say freedom of freedom of thought, freedom of expression. Expression, you know the uh, as a man, the opportunity to express emotion without judgment, right? So there's some of that, I'm sure there's some, you know my therapist can unpack that later.

Speaker 2: 30:51

We'll put that under the freedom umbrella. And then your other thing say what it is again.

Speaker 1: 31:01

It helps you make sense of the world.

Speaker 2: 31:03

It helps you make sense of the world. What does that bring for you?

Speaker 1: 31:07

Yeah, yeah. So, like, a lot of my songwriting is very it's, it's very visual. It's very much around like, like, like interpreting a system and of like, like, like interpreting nature and then tying that into a relationship and how those things are very similar or or connected in some way, shape or form, and then telling a story and within that context, that's how it is and then it represents itself in a musical phrase or lyrics or something like that.

Speaker 2: 31:36

It's very much poetic in that manner. So making sense of the world, does that bring you joy or peace, or is?

Speaker 1: 31:50

it. Yes, I would say, when I get it out and it's gone and I've put it out into the world, then I can breathe easier. You can breathe easier. That's how I would describe it. Right, okay?

Speaker 2: 32:07

We're just going to yeah, that's what For you it's. I'm breathing easier. Let's just leave it at that, okay.

Speaker 1: 32:12

Sounds good.

Speaker 2: 32:13

So what you do on the inside, connecting the dots, is your most compelling internal self-motivator, like I mentioned, that's the thing that makes you tick and why it's so meaningful is kind of that freedom of speech and that huge like I've connected the dots. Again connecting the dots, but just on a much grander scale, it looks like you've got two levels of connecting the dots Connecting the dots with actually playing the music and then actually tying it together in a song that brings you that ah, right. And so that's what I call a flow strategy knowing what you do on the inside and why it's so meaningful, because when you can define what that is for yourself, this is the part that you can now repeat, okay. So I wonder if you now think about your work, are you a dot connector?

Speaker 1: 33:14

Yes.

Speaker 2: 33:15

When you're doing your work, yes, when I'm doing the work I enjoy within my job. Yes, for the most part, yes, yes, you're the dot connector right and you have that sense of ah right that you were mentioning, of making sense of things.

Speaker 1: 33:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:36

There it is.

Speaker 1: 33:37

Yes.

Speaker 2: 33:39

Okay.

Speaker 2: 33:40

So, now we need to find what that is for yourself, and you see how unique you are right. I've walked a lot of people through figuring out their flow strategy. Never had one like yours. Okay, and this is why I think I love teaching HR professionals these steps, because not only can you use it for yourself, but you now have a system you can walk other people through figuring out. How do they deeply engage? How can you now apply that to your work? Because I think, just because you defined it, you're going to be able to wait a minute. I'm not going to just dive into this project right now. Let me just pause for a second and think how can I connect the dots? How can I make sense of this?

Speaker 1: 34:22

Fascinating. Okay, Well, now I'm like soul searingly questioning my existence, so I don't know where to take the podcast from here. Now I'm just like now I'm, now I'm, I'm just wrapped around what this looks like. So we're going to play that, the music where it's like you know, hold, please hold, you know.

Speaker 2: 34:47

While you process. That was a lot to process for you.

Speaker 1: 34:50

Yeah, no-transcript. You're like, you're like in the slot, like you're like, you're there in the zone, right In the zone, like you're feeling it and uh, yeah, so really like, yeah, so really powerful exercise. Um, thank you, uh, for sharing that and yeah, a lot to unpack there.

Speaker 2: 35:55

I don't really know. But I think that a lot. Let me, let me. Let me, let me tie the bow around it, okay.

Speaker 1: 36:01

All right, yeah, diane, just take over the podcast, because I'm just going to sit back. I got to reflect on this one.

Speaker 2: 36:06

Bottom line in a world of doing, okay, In a world of doing. The real question is have we lost out on the importance of being? And a lot of times, when people are in their flow state, they describe it as I really love what I'm doing. It's not like I'm doing, it's just like I'm being.

Speaker 2: 36:29

It's not like I'm doing, it's just like I'm being. And so when you have, especially when you have, purpose involved right, it does take you to a different dimension. And so when you have people that are washing fish, that that that aren't connecting you know how, how could they be differently while they're doing that job? How can people uniquely engage in a way that is just so juicy for them? And then you can just imagine, just by being in their flow state, everyone around them is going to sense it. We already went through the mechanics of that.

Speaker 2: 37:11

Yeah, that's how I would mechanics of that, right yeah, so that's how I would kind of put a bow around it, like really, how can we help people to be in a world of doing?

Speaker 1: 37:20

I love it. I love it. I'm gonna leave it right there and we could go through the Rebel HR flash round, but I, I want to. I want the audience to reflect on. This is a pretty powerful tool and, I think, a really powerful statement and I think we should all reflect on it. I am going to encourage everybody to click into the show notes, check out the book Flow, unlock your Genius. Love what you Do. It's available now. With that Diane. I want to give you an opportunity to let people find out where they can connect with you, where they can learn more and where best to find the book.

Speaker 2: 38:01

Yeah, it's easy to find it on Amazon. If you just go to Diane Allen and Flow, it usually pops up. I just want everybody to know that there's a lot more in the book than we just talked about, and there's a flow strategy worksheet in there. There's that Venn diagram. Everything that we talked about is in the book, as well as with a lot of stories of how different people implemented it, as well as instruction. I'm a teacher at heart. I can't help it, but I also have a cheat sheet at tinyurlcom slash flowstate gift On this web page I have. It's basically like the cliff notes of everything we talked about, as well as a couple of videos that help to, you know, take everything that we talked about to another level, and that's just a free gift for me.

Speaker 1: 39:09

Awesome. Thank you so much, Diane. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insight with us today. Really great content and I can't wait to hear the audience response. Thank you.

Speaker 2: 39:19

Thank me, I'm thank you, I love it.

Speaker 1: 39:28

Thank God for editing. All good Thanks, diane. Take care. All right. That does it for the Rebel HR podcast. Big thank you to our guests. Follow us on Facebook at Rebel HR podcast, twitter at Rebel HR guy or see our website at rebelhumanresourcescom. The views and opinions expressed by Rebel HR Podcast are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any of the organizations that we represent. No animals were harmed during the filming of this podcast.

Speaker 2: 40:04

Baby.